Andrew Shearman: Founder at G42 Leadership Academy
Andrew Shearman: [00:00:00] The Lord still reigns, that's all I know.
Seth Barnes: [00:00:01] Yeah, the enemy is not his play. What do you think is the Lord's play? What is, how is God moving in this time?
Andrew Shearman: [00:00:11] He's realigning everything.
He's making this realign our priorities. He's sewing this, there are not very many important things in life. And, he's stripping us down to an appreciation of simpler things like family conversation, loving each other community. These are beautiful things and I think it's taken.
It's like, it's like you were who were discussing it the other day in a, you know, the hero generation. Something like this has to happen to wake people up to their community responsibilities. it's a massive, massive message to the church that you don't have to keep.
Dumb service is going to pay the mortgage. You need to get in community. And take care of each other. Love your neighbor. So I think, I think that the whole world is realigning, and I think, I mean economically, who knows? Who knows what's going to happen. The kids sitting there are going to be faced with at least another three, four, five, $6 trillion debt.
It's a shocking thing that is, but I do think. I don't think everybody's realigning what they think is important in life. And some people who actually never have a find a purpose will begin to wonder why, why is the game at the end of the week? Really the, the really the purpose of my life now that you can't have it.
Okay. But we got to wake up. We've got to wake up to our responsibilities.
Seth Barnes: [00:01:44] So what are those, what are those, Andrew?
Andrew Shearman: [00:01:49] Love our neighbors as ourselves, take care of the poor and the needy. You know, Mo and I's, you know, we're both, we're both 75 years old and we feel as though we've got to look after old people. It's really fun. So we better got to sell. We're helping our old neighbors. I think that's it. We've got it. You know, you can't piddle around in the shallows of life. You can't just go for self-satisfaction. You've got to look for the needs of others more, at least as much for the needs of yourself.
And then obviously the fact that we've got a great message of hope and life to share, that's what we should be sharing all over the place. Now alive should reflect that. So our lives should not be dominated by fear and panic but by our trust in the Lord, and no matter what, no matter what the circumstances, what we teach in G 42 in, no matter what the circumstances, which are dire, no matter what the emotions are, which are commonly awful.
Those are all wilderness cities that we have to leave in order to get to the destiny and the purpose of our lives. So we cannot be dominated by, by circumstances or emotions.
Seth Barnes: [00:03:13] So how do you, how do you lead yourself in a time like this, Andrew, you're looking at a lot of people are looking to you for hope.
A lot of people are looking for you for what to do. Now, how do I live in a new world? Does it begin with you that you begin leading yourself first?
Andrew Shearman: [00:03:32] You have to, of course, you've got to lead yourself first at the end of the day. Because if you don't, you know, if you're not healthy, you're not gonna, you can't bring health to other people. If y ou are empty, you've got nothing to give away. And, so clearly without, it's not, it's not a set a sense of self-importance. It's a question of health. See I think we've often concentrated on growth at the expense of health. We've said we've got to grow, grow, grow, and know we, all you got to do is stay healthy, healthy things grow.
You don't yell and scream at a baby to grow, grow, grow, you feed it well, you clean it up and you make sure it's loved well,, that we've got to keep ourselves free from. Infection, spiritual infections. Bitterness is anger, resentment, angry at God, unforgiveness – all of those things.
Keep ourselves free from jealousy and anger. Those are all infections, keep ourselves well-feed. which means it's a really good idea to read your Bible every day. Really good idea and pray. And as you know, I speak in tongues regularly. If I ever, if I feel a little fear creeping up on me, at 75 years old, I just speak in tongues.
If I feel as though, you know, I might, there's a possibility of getting a fever. I just call on the name of the Lord. So the point is you maintain your personal disciplines and then you've got something to say to people and they feel it. They know, they know that you got something in you that they actually would like.
So personal disciplines are the basic key. Keep free from infection, stay well fed. Well-fed on spiritual things, well-fed on community, well-fed, on fellowship, well-fed on honesty and truth with each other. And then love being loved and loving back. Love is the love is what we do. And then, then you'll grow.
You can't help but grow cause you're healthy and you'll help others grow. And if we don't give people hope, you know, the Bible Bible says that God's a God of hope. It never says he's the God of faith. It's a God of hope. So we give God, we give them a God of hope. With God. There's always hope, a hope, and a future.
So it starts and ends at, really, I mean, at the moment, I can't do anything else, but that face time, people or you know, stream stuff online. I can't meet anybody. I'm not allowed to meet anybody. So, whatever we do, it starts and ends with your personal walk and life with God.
Seth Barnes: [00:06:13] What is our, what is our dream?
What is a church look like that is following God and is different than the church we've been given?
Andrew Shearman: [00:06:25] We've got a materialistic bunch of churches. God bless them. I'm not dumb. Don't being overcritical of the church. People are finding Christ and people are doing missions work. I'm not knocking it, but I think we've lost our perspectives.
We have invested in rigid belief systems. I think we've invested in a $100 million buildings and all the rest of it we've prioritized fame and big personalities, and we've forgotten that it's the body of Christ that does the work.
And each one of us, each one of us functioning, we've lost a sense of real community vulnerability and honesty with each other. That's why Christian families have at least as high divorce rate as anybody else, which is a disgrace. And so I think the church is getting a massive wake up call.
We've lost our first love, and we've been drawn back to our first basic love that Jesus Christ loved us and gave himself for us. He broke into our world and taught us that we were born to be loved. And basically that's the message which we have completely forgotten in our scramble for numbers and figures and big offerings.
Especially in the Western world, especially in America, Britain, and the more successful so-called successful economies, we have become materialistic and lost our first love. And we've forgotten basic things like vulnerability, honesty, community taking care of one another. So if we don't, if we, if people don’t wake up now to their responsibilities as Christians, God help us.
Seth Barnes: [00:08:08] So when you look at the church, you think that churches of the future will be smaller, more intimate, more connection?
Andrew Shearman: [00:08:16] Well, I think honestly, as Seth, we go back to what we dreamed about all those years ago. You know, we dreamed about and what we talked about, the Cs, we talk about the things, you know, we started with, we can make it, we can cut it down to three Cs.
We start with community. A group of people there at Global U. You loving each other, taking care of each other. Helping each other to understand difficult things and supporting each other in emotional crises. That's a community. Learning to pray together, learning to beat the devil together. All of those things that a small group of people around the table can do.
So it starts with that little, almost a self and then community thing. Small number and then it should go to a congregation, say of what we dreamed about it. Man, if we dreamed about it, should go there. Then those things should multiply organically as healthy things grow. And then in a, in a town or on a big city, you could have, you know, hundreds of them.
And then once every month, once every six weeks or whatever, who cares? You know, you'd have, you have a congregation where 10 or 15 of those cells would come together. And there'd be two or 300 people where they'd, you get a sense that you belong to something bigger, young man can you meet young women of the same tribe, which is always a good idea too, because you know, we want to get married and all the rest of it.
And you bring the teachers in and you, and you bring Apostle's doctrine. And so you don't just have fellowship, but you teach and you do some when inspires evangelism and let's say once every six months. All those congregations in the state are a big, big city who come together and have them knockdown, drag-out celebration and barbecue for a weekend in a, in a stadium or something, and thousands of show up, and we'd really lift the spirits of a domination of evil spirits opposite by, that's my, that would be my dream, but it all starts with a small group of people.
And it goes, and it should grow as life grows now. Well, I honestly want to see it within my own eyes before I pass, but I wanted, I want the young people in that room with the guys. I want them to get that dream and vision too, so that they'd have something really good to aim for. But it starts with an honest, vulnerable, totally loving community supporting each other and standing together.
Then you move into a bigger area of doctrine, then you move into a bigger area of celebration. So you've got, if you like, we've got sell community, congregation and celebration. That's that. That would be for me, because you know, you look at a church like Antioch and in Syria when Paul was there, they say it had about a third of the city in it.
It grew too eager, and Antioch was one of the biggest, I think he was in the top three cities in the world at the time. Because it was on the crossroads of the East-West silk road, the trade routes from East or West, the silk road, and it was on the, on the North-South card rock from Africa into Europe. So it was that, it was at that point that Antioch, and they, the church apparently historically see it was believed to have about half a third of this city in it.
So there's nothing wrong with having a mega, mega, mega, mega number of people, but then they also live together in communities and so on. So I'm not against big, but it starts and it started. The lifeblood is in the small.
Seth Barnes: [00:11:45] I'm going to turn it over to the class to ask you questions, Andrew,
Andrew Shearman: [00:11:50] It's good to see you. It's good to see your face.
Seth Barnes: [00:11:53] Yeah. I wish we were together. This is me too. It makes me sad. Makes me sad about all this isolation. And at some point it'd be great for them to hear, you know, the idea of raising up leaders. And how that's also always been on your heart.
Seth Barnes: [00:12:11] I will turn it over to the class to ask you questions here.
Andrew Shearman: [00:12:16] No problem.
Kelson Mudd: [00:12:19] Okay, I have a question. So what is it, you said like the lifeblood is in these small communities, how do you, but like our tendency is always to go. Big here, right into like a less personalized. So how do we stay in those small communities, like the small ones coming together? No, I think bigger, but how do we make sure that we keep that like small connection?
Andrew Shearman: [00:12:45] Well, it's intimacy. The truth is it's not addition. That sort. I was going to tell you, it's not addition because it's multiplication and you've got you, you guys are smart enough to figure that equation out. Good Lord.
If you just add, you just make something bigger and bigger and bigger and get fatter and fatter and less and less mobile, you become more and more self-centered. But if you multiply, for example, I just, one of the reasons I, we do what we do here in terms of leadership where leaders are not supposed to lead, lead, lead, lead, and everybody else just follow, follow, follow.
Leaders are supposed to reproduce. Leaders. Apostles are supposed to reproduce apostles and so on. Evangelists are not supposed to just evangelize, they're supposed to train evangelists so that then you can give the authority where you multiply authority. Rather than try and keep it to yourself. So, and that's what happens because what's said, what we've got in the Western churches is these incredibly impressive buildings and congregations. They're all smart and beautiful and very attractive, but you've got this big shot at the top who basically runs the show. And instead of giving his authority away. So the small groups where you develop, where you find the leaderships, where you then begin to empower people.
Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit has, well he's got many characters. You've got two main characteristics. One is Exousia, right? Which is the right to do something. The authority. To do something. The other word is the Dunamus, the dynamite, the power of Holy Spirit. So when you've got the power of Holy spirit together with the authority of Holy Spirit, then you've got older spirit.
But what we tend to do is to try and get power into people, but don't impart, but don't give them the authority to do it. My best example, you're all Americans, and I've had to learn this because I'm an American now too, by the way, but American football, there's one guy now, you'd have to help me here because I can't remember.
There's one guy on the, on the pitch who has, is he have a white cap on? Is he the boss guy? but all around or round, I think, I think there are either five or six other guys that are helping him. Right, who actually made the call for him and tell him what, what the offense was or whatever it was. Right. the head referee, he's got the authority by empowering other referees around the pitch, did he increase his authority or did it diminish?
Kelson Mudd: [00:15:21] It increased. It
Andrew Shearman: [00:15:22] increased it. You increased it by giving it away. So our job in multiplication is not addition. It's multiplication, and that's the lifeblood. That's where the lifeblood flows. In a group like yours, you discover who you are, you discover as leaders, and then you though those of you that can lead, and those of you that joined together without a leader, you go and start whatever you're supposed to start and you’ve suddenly multiplied Global U you about eight times.
That's how it works.
Kelson Mudd: [00:15:51] Yes. Thank you so much.
Andrew Shearman: [00:15:53] Pleasure.
Andrew Haak: [00:15:57]Andrew, I had one, in initially like creating a community, I feel like we get a lot of direction. But when it comes to a community hitting capacity for vulnerability and it needs to grow and people need to go different directions.
Do you have any wisdom on how to do that? Well, if it's not within a program, but it's just in relationship, living in.
Andrew Shearman: [00:16:20] Yeah. It's, that's, that's probably the hardest part of the, of the multiplication process, to be honest. Because we love what we love. I mean, we're all, we're all creatures of habit to some extent.
And, you know, and, but obviously people are for deeper level relationships with some people, and there are others, but like a group of 10, 12, 15 ish people. Over a period of time, really get to know each other and they got, and then they're going to miss each other. But then, but that's the process of life.
Cells are split, don't they? So that the body can grow and we're not splitting in a bad way. We're forming and reproducing. So you look for a leader, there's got, without leadership, you're not, see leadership is not domination. Leadership is empowering others. Which is we've lost sight of that. We think leadership is being dynamic yourself.
And I'm the leader. Boys follow me, I got it, man. And on off we go. But truly this ship is empowering other people to lead as much as they can lead because everybody leads something. If it's only themselves or you know, a family, I mean, you're all leaving some things, so you've got to learn the principles of giving your life away.
But clearly in the body of Christ, there are people that have a gift of leadership. They should all lovingly get together and work out and say, you get the 15-20 and you're, you're beginning to lose that intimacy because you do, you just do it. Just like, then there should be, there should be a leader or a gently says in a lot on, you all agree together and, well, who really want to go along with the, you know, Michael or whatever he's called, or Angela, it could be a man or a woman to mater and they say, well, we feel called and do that because they live in a different part of town. Or you know, they're going to move to a different part of town, things like that. But I'll have to say it's a good question because people don't like change.
They just don't. But that's the way it's going to multiply. Because otherwise it will grow and grow and grow within itself. And you're not an ad and not an ad. And then you'll just have one expression in, in a positive tone rather than multiplying. So that way you multiply these you multiply factor, the fact that everybody in the body has a responsibility to produce life and that which every joint supplies.
So when it gets too big, people can sit silent and idle. And still be, you know, involved, but they're actually doing nothing. So it needs to be small enough to involve everybody and big enough to, to multiply, I wouldn't say splits around wrong work, but to multiply and leadership under eldering is part of that.
I mean, you know, eldering is a big deal of that where you've got elders advertising and they should be guys like Seth and perhaps myself and Gary and the other guys that you've got mentoring you who are spiritual enough and got experienced enough to help you and help guide you through it, but that is necessary.
That is my dream that we get. We have these communities multiplying all over the place, and you know, in business too, it's the same thing, keep multiplying. I hope that helps.
Andrew Haak: [00:19:45] Yeah, absolutely. That's, that's really good. I know that's something that the time and season that I'm in right now, then I know that all the students will end up facing is like, what does that look like as you move from group to group? Is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? And, and how do you handle that really well? And, I think one thing that you've told me that has been most impactful is how you end a season.
Andrew Shearman: [00:20:08] Yes. How you leave something is are you enter something?
If you leave badly, you enter badly. So don't leave badly. Lead well, live leave with community. Leave with unity. Lead with Holy spirit. This is the time where the people, God's in this, let's bless each other and then you can still get together for a game a weekend every month or something.
Right? Mean, just get together for a barbecue in the park. I know. I'll keep those friendships going. Plus today with technology, everybody can be with everybody, but part of a week. But yes, you're right. Don't leave badly. Whatever it is. Don't leave anything badly. Leave as well as you can possibly leave.
Andrew Haak: [00:20:46] That's good. Any more questions?
Stephen Barton: [00:20:50] Yeah, I have a question. So Andrew, by next year if this virus starts slowing down and maybe even dies off. Where do you see the church `being in America?
Andrew Shearman: [00:21:02] Well, it's partly what we've been talking about, Son. It's the every member contributing, which doesn't happen. You know, that doesn't happen. You sit in a church of 5,000 people, and as I've already said, there's nothing wrong with that.
As long as this community going on the hundreds and hundreds of communities going on the place, I don't mind. A mega congregation celebration, but you're going to have, you would, it would mean that every member of the body of Christ would feel an obligation to be activated because they've now got responsibility.
What is that responsibility? Love your neighbor as you love yourself. And that is actually being stirred in society. For example, in Britain in the last seven days. The government put out an appeal for the people. Obviously doctors and ex nurses that have either retired or moved on to another career and, and volunteers to be able to step in and relieve the pressure on the national health service.
And they asked for 250,000 volunteers, in six days they got 750,000 people volunteering. Which means that people are wanting to be involved, wanting to do something, and the church just flat out needs to wake up. That it's got responsibilities and it's not about you being having a nice little life and going to heaven.
It's about bringing God's joy and power and love and everything else to the earth. Everybody, not just to guy on the platform with the gleaming smile and the telegenic looks. Is this the guy on the back row who should be learning? He's already a dad, should be eldering on a group of the young bucks like you and helping you and guiding you into maturity and love.
Cause people are gonna want something. So it'd be a beautiful thing. Instead of having about three big shots, really impressive gifted people in a church of let's say a thousand people, you've got 980 of them are active, and then of those 980 you'd probably have about a hundred missional communities in every part of town taking care of their neighbors.
So I think activation, waking up an activation and that means then following on from that, everybody, if they're going to be activated, I want to have to be intimate with God because you've got to have something to say. You've got to have something to give away so you better, you better find out how to stay forward yourself.
Andrew Haak: [00:23:28] Good. That's good.
Andrew Shearman: [00:23:30] That’s what I believe. Re-evaluating our priorities. That's the point.
Andrew Haak: [00:23:35] Awesome. We want to honor your time. Well, Andrew, we really appreciate it so much. You'd be able to give your life away and all of these calls and to be able to pour into us even from a distance and really means a lot to me. And I know to everyone a precipice here.
Andrew Shearman: [00:23:50] Bless ya. Let me pray for you.
Andrew Haak: [00:23:52] Thank you. Okay.
Andrew Shearman: [00:23:54] Raise your hands. Put your hands out everybody. Come on, get in, get in. I just received something from Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit doesn't know anything about boundaries or oceans. Or time and space he can, he can be there as well as here. So father, in Jesus' name, I thank you for these beautiful young people who are studying art to be able to leverage every skillset and everything, every gift you've given them, not for their own, just for their own wellbeing, but for the wellbeing of the world and for the extension of the kingdom of God that we may actually bring.
Heaven to earth in every possible way. And our father, as they continue in their journey, their studies, which is now interrupted, I pray that your Holy Spirit will guide them as they begin to come to the end of their first year of training. Will you please give them wisdom and guidance as to how to proceed in the near and medium-term future and keep them all healthy, keep them all strong in mind and body and soul and heart.
And I pray you will bring out every one of us to be bringers of joy and hope to a panic-stricken world. We ask this in the name of our savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
God bless you all guys. Lovely to talk to you anytime, Andrew and guys, anytime you'd give me a bell take care. See you soon. I hope.
Andrew Haak: [00:25:26] Thank you so much.